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#1 Xanius

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:55 PM

http://kotaku.com/in...typo-1214807721


All I can say is... wow at this point.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:58 PM

I see the reason for it existing, but it's still just so... gross in every way.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:09 PM

Yea, I can see why they'd make a version without the 3D for certain. But uh.. why in the world did they make it like this? Why can it not be a closeable system? WHY ARE YOU GOING BACK TO THE GAMEBOY ADVANCED ERA?!

Reports are that Nintendo is giving up on the 3D aspect of the 3DS. They said we might see a new system by them without the 3D soon but... I wasn't expecting this at all... makes me worry that soon enough we will just get a new 'gen' of DS that isn't the ones we have now... So early on in it's lifetime too. =/

But this goes with the fact that many people are saying that Nintendo just isn't in touch with what their fans generally want. Look at the Wii U, it's doing so terrible and no one cares for it. It's hardy an upgrade to the Wii at all. Theres nothing next gen about it.

I like Nintendo, but... they are just failing pretty badly this 'gen'.

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#4 Dion

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:40 PM

I kinda like the throwback to the previous handheld era of Nintendo...


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:14 PM

It's a budget model for the idiots who complain about the 3D. Also the Wii U is selling better than the 360 did at this point in its lifespan (It's true so go learn your shit or be a butt elsewhere). To expect it to sell like the Wii did is ignorant, as it hasn't been marketed as heavily as a casual console, or really marketed that heavily period. >_>; To say that Wii U is a flop or is dead is to totally ignore the popularity spikes that the PS2 and GBC/GBA had as well.

 

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:49 PM

Wii U has sold 3.61 Million units in a period of about 7 months worldwide. From November to June.

Xbox 360 sold roughly 5 million units from it's November release to June. 1.4 Million more.

Wii U sold only 136,000 from April 1st to June 30th. XBox 360 sold 700,000 from April 1st to June 30th.

Wii U sold A LOT at it's launch. But since it's first 3 months, it's been doing fairly terrible. It had 3 Million units out there in JANUARY. Only 600,000 more units were gotten in a 6 month span from that. That's terrible. You can't say that Wii U is outselling the 360 in its current time frame.

Wii U has been shown to be selling 30k systems a week from it's July and August data. In the same time frame as that, the 360 was selling 70k from July to August a week. Oh look DOUBLE the amount.

Don't know where you get your information but don't spout shit off about Wii U doing better if you can't back it up.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:12 PM

Reports are that Nintendo is giving up on the 3D aspect of the 3DS. They said we might see a new system by them without the 3D soon but... I wasn't expecting this at all... makes me worry that soon enough we will just get a new 'gen' of DS that isn't the ones we have now... So early on in it's lifetime too. =/

But this goes with the fact that many people are saying that Nintendo just isn't in touch with what their fans generally want. Look at the Wii U, it's doing so terrible and no one cares for it. It's hardy an upgrade to the Wii at all. Theres nothing next gen about it.

I like Nintendo, but... they are just failing pretty badly this 'gen'.

Yeah, I mean, if they're giving up on the 3Dness of the 3DS, then that's a shame. This is either giving people what they want or is indicative of their business model going forth. We'll see in terms of games being developed as to which it'll be.

 

 

It's a budget model for the idiots who complain about the 3D. Also the Wii U is selling better than the 360 did at this point in its lifespan (It's true so go learn your shit or be a butt elsewhere). To expect it to sell like the Wii did is ignorant, as it hasn't been marketed as heavily as a casual console, or really marketed that heavily period. >_>; To say that Wii U is a flop or is dead is to totally ignore the popularity spikes that the PS2 and GBC/GBA had as well.

 

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The Wii U is a flop and dead because of the lack of current game support on the system. Current games. Next gen games are a whole other story in and of itself. Again, it's asking for first party titles to bail its ass out because third party support is already beginning to dwindle. PS2 was top of the line for its day before the xbox rolled around, as far as I'm aware. Best selling console of all time. To assume that a console is going to mirror the PS2 is really kind of silly, because you can't predict these things.

 

Sales will rise when Zelda comes out, of course, but will it matter? I don't know.

 

Wii U has sold 3.61 Million units in a period of about 7 months worldwide. From November to June.

Xbox 360 sold roughly 5 million units from it's November release to June. 1.4 Million more.

Wii U sold only 136,000 from April 1st to June 30th. XBox 360 sold 700,000 from April 1st to June 30th.

Wii U sold A LOT at it's launch. But since it's first 3 months, it's been doing fairly terrible. It had 3 Million units out there in JANUARY. Only 600,000 more units were gotten in a 6 month span from that. That's terrible. You can't say that Wii U is outselling the 360 in its current time frame.

Wii U has been shown to be selling 30k systems a week from it's July and August data. In the same time frame as that, the 360 was selling 70k from July to August a week. Oh look DOUBLE the amount.

Don't know where you get your information but don't spout shit off about Wii U doing better if you can't back it up.

http://www.vgchartz....06&console=X360

 

http://www.vgchartz....13&console=WiiU

 

Sorry, Alu is right, if these numbers are accurate. This is just first year of release, man. Wii U is flop city compared to a system released like eight years ago. That's just not very good no matter how you slice it.

 

I will add that the second year of the Xbox's life cycle was MUCH better than its first, but still, man. The Wii U needs a BIG holiday season to come close. Also the machine debuted at MORE MONEY than the Wii U did, so that could be a factor in sales figures.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

Okay, looking at these, my figures are a bit dated. (They come from the 2012 EOY Quarterly reports from May/June.) However, PS2 was most not superior to the Dreamcast iirc, which due to reasons I fail to understand was already on its way out by the time the PS2 hit shelves?  And the Wii U is about on par with the sales of the GCN despite the poor launch lineup. I'm not exactly ecstatic about how little Nintendo is selling, but I'll support the shit out of them as long as they keep making at least one good Zelda, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Smash Bros., and Pikmin game every gen and don't let the Kid Icarus and Luigi's Mansion franchises die again.  The only one not touched by 3DS or Wii U yet on that front is Metroid. And just to say, by the way, the Wii U is a vast improvement on the Wii, and a fair bit beyond the capabilities of the current gen. A big part of the problem is that third party developers just like to port games over instead of actually optimizing it and showing off the capabilities of the Wii U. Pikmin 3 is one of the most beautiful games I have ever played. >_>;


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:48 PM

Dreamcast failed because you didn't have to buy ANY game for it. It had good games, people loved said games. But you could pirate them so easily. Just needed to burn them to a CD and BAM. Any game you want you could play, thats why it flopped mainly.

And yes, Wii U on certain things IS better then CURRENT Gen. But that's to be expecting when you are releasing a system in 2012. 7 YEARS after the 360 and 6 after the PS3. So if it WASN'T better, there'd be something majorly flawed.

As well, the price of Wii U is MUCH lower then the costs of the other consoles and they sold MORE then what Wii U is selling. So no one can say, Oh the price of Wii U hurts it. Bull shit. PS3 STILL sold a small amount with a 600 dollar price tag.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:26 PM

3rd party devs need an incentive to make a game for the system, like a contract of sorts. Microsoft signed Bungie to an exclusive deal when they were developing Halo 1, and they were a brilliant 3rd party supporter (that eventually became like 2nd party, but is 3rd party again). The issue with Nintendo is that their 3rd party support is rather lacking at the moment. They need to go out there and get companies to make a Wii U game that takes advantage of something only the Wii U can do. That said, I'm sure many devs are under sworn silence about the first year+ of games, since there are likely many in development we don't know about yet.

 

And yeah, my friend had a Dreamcast and owned -literally- every game the Dreamcast made because it was so easy to rip. It killed the system, and nearly killed Sega.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:34 PM

Okay, yeah. That makes sense as far as both points go, but it doesn't help that the developers are basically avoiding Nintendo like the plague in this/next gen because that's what gamers are doing. And it's fairly ironic because it's a cycle. :x Also, I guess I was just too young to remember the piracy of the Dreamcast.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:53 PM

More like 2-D-Shit


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:59 PM

More like Nintendookie.


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:24 PM

Nintendo has been lacking in 3rd party support since the N64 (I think Gamecube had some luck), this condition isn't new to them. As more and more people are able to make games, including companies that make triple A games, and they don't want to make and sell games for your console because the audience of the console won't buy them, so then its not a good business choice to invest on that console, therefore that console will be missing out on the business of a good majority of the games in the market, so it loses the chance to expand. Kind of circular there but it comes down to this. The Nintendo audience has been buying Nintendo games and really nothing else on their systems. Handhelds are the exception here with games from companies like Square-Enix, as they are cheaper to make.

 

Here's a couple examples of "good" games that didn't sell on Wii from the top of my head:

 

Madworld

Dead Space: Extraction

Silent Hills: Shattered Memories

 

If I remember why I have them down, they are all M rated games, which generally don't exist on Nintendo's systems. That kind of shows where the Nintendo audience, not that older people always play M-rated games, but that older people who did get a Wii probably met to share this with their kids and for family experiences that come with it. Not to mention how people that remember their Nintendo as a kid remember playing Nintendo games. 

 

Anyway I'm going to stop here I don't have sources and don't feel like looking them up. Basicly Nintendo dug its own hole by not giving incentives to 3rd parties to make games for them or to customers to buy those 3rd party games. Let alone with the hardware choices they made over the past couple systems (flash on n64, low specs on Wii, etc).


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 07:47 PM

So far, this has gotten an incredible amount of negative feedback. Only a few positive ones out there and they aren't really for all the right reasons necessarily.

A lot of people are questioning the removal of the 3D aspect. If 3D is suppose to be one thing that makes the 3DS different then the previous DS. Then what does the 2DS bring to the table that the DS didn't?

Yes, I know it's more powerful and can do a fair bit of different things. But thats just it, it's an upgraded DS in terms of power. The 3D was the groundbreaking and changing factor in the new handheld. If they made a new one without the 3D on it, are they abandoning it all together? Seems so from recent reports but we'll have to wait and see. The 3DS is generally liked, so we don't have to worry about Nintendo rushing in with a New handheld system for quite sometime. But I do have to wonder though, we got the DS first, then the DSlite, DSi and DSi XL. We got the base 3DS, a 3DS XL, and now a 2DS. I don't see how they can release yet another handheld in the 3DS generation. They could only increase it's power more and possibly make a 3DSi I suppose. But I wouldn't hold it against Nintendo is release a new Gen of DS in two years from now. Maybe they should just add a second analog stick to the other side and give us some really nice ports of old games or so as well...

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 08:53 PM

Yes, I know it's more powerful and can do a fair bit of different things. But thats just it, it's an upgraded DS in terms of power. The 3D was the groundbreaking and changing factor in the new handheld. If they made a new one without the 3D on it, are they abandoning it all together? Seems so from recent reports but we'll have to wait and see. The 3DS is generally liked, so we don't have to worry about Nintendo rushing in with a New handheld system for quite sometime. But I do have to wonder though, we got the DS first, then the DSlite, DSi and DSi XL. We got the base 3DS, a 3DS XL, and now a 2DS. I don't see how they can release yet another handheld in the 3DS generation. They could only increase it's power more and possibly make a 3DSi I suppose. But I wouldn't hold it against Nintendo is release a new Gen of DS in two years from now. Maybe they should just add a second analog stick to the other side and give us some really nice ports of old games or so as well...

 

I think groundbreaking is a little exaggerated. The 3D wasn't that good...

 

I for one think everyone needs to stop bitching because the 2DS is actually a pretty okay thing as far as handhelds go. It's aimed at a younger audience and is cheaper than the usual 3DS. I can see hardcore people buying the 2DS just to trade pokemon between X and Y, especially if they dont know anyone that plays Pokemon hardcore like. The 40 dollar reduction means that a device with the game would cost just what a console would have. 


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 09:34 AM

There were studies and shit a while back that the 3d could be bad for young children's eyes. Removing the 3d from it makes that now an attractive option for parents who want to get the system for their younger children.

 

And what Alu said is true - the lure of the 3ds was the 3D slider. That was its selling point - its key feature. Removing that makes it all ridiculous.

 

Does Nintendo still make 3D in their games? Do they slowly weed it out? Is a 3DS going to lose its novelty in the coming years with the 2ds out there? A lot of questions that I'm sure the folks at Nintendo thought about.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:08 AM

Meh. 3D was a big deal 2 or 3 years ago. 3D TVs, 3D games on PS3, 3D theater movies etc. It was a trend that Nintendo was smart to cash in on. Now that it's died down, they're going back to a more conventional train of thought - for more cash ins. Makes sense to me.


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