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[Crimson Jazz]

Discuss the presidency of Barack Obama. What are you thoughts on what he has done and is currently doing (or not doing) as president, you feelings toward him, etc.

I believe Barack is definitely a better president that George Bush and his father. On the topic of what he is currently doing, I believe creating the health care reform bill was a great thing. It's definitely a relief for people who previously couldn't afford health care. I also thinking closing Gitmo was a good idea, because Gitmo certainly is a place that honestly shouldn't have existed in the first place.

And when people say "Obama hasn't done anything. He ain't changed nothing." I seriously want to smack them. He's still cleaning up the mess that George left behind.

Well, discuss the current American president.

[Xanius]

And when people say "Obama hasn't done anything. He ain't changed nothing." I seriously want to smack them. He's still cleaning up the mess that George left behind.

Oh I can agree to that. I always hear of how bad he is, how he didn't fix the economy. How he hasn't changed a thing. I have a friend that blames everything on him. His favorite TV show cancelled? Obama did it, Anime not selling well? He did it. Him not getting paid well? Obama did it. Can't buy fireworks? Obama did it.

It becomes really god damn annoying hearing that. He's been doing a damn good job. He's actually doing shit and making jobs. It's a slow process. It hasn't been two years yet. Not even half way thru his term. He has to deal with the gulf and everyone blaming the spill on him, Not BP, not the rig workers, not the inspectors, but him. It's ridiculous. I do hope he changes US a good bit and makes it like it was in the Clinton era. That way people can shut up, let him do his work, and we can go back to not being in debt as much.

[Ted]

Yeah, it gets annoying when you hear people who blame everything on him. I know he promised that the soldiers will be home (and kept changing the date for that), but gee whiz, everybody should know by now that every politician lies to a certain extent. Besides, if we rush in bringing the American soldiers home, it could be the end of us.

And besides, anybody know why Obama has barely done anything? It's because the Party of "No" keeps opposing every damn thing the President proposes. I even liked a Note on Facebook that had a list of all the things Republicans opposed. Heck, I even found out one time that they opposed the "Clean Water Act" back in the '70s. Can you believe that?

I'm proud of being a Democrat. Wanna blame Obama? Blame the Republicans in Congress instead. That's why the November elections this year are so important.

[Shino]

And besides, anybody know why Obama has barely done anything? It's because the Party of "No" keeps opposing every damn thing the President proposes.

This right here is pure fact. It seems like the Republicans oppose him on everything he views. Something doesn't seem right because he gets little to no republican votes on anything he proposes to Congress.

[Secret Felix]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he have a super-majority for both houses for quite a while?

[Kingroy]

._. Not to turn anything to a bash fest but how was Bush a great president compared to Obama? I hear people say that, though some are probably trolls, on youtube and other media sites. :v I'm like huh? I know I was young but some of the events I seen still made it clear that he was doing stupid things.

I know Obama isn't the best either, he can do better, but why complain so hard is the question? >_> He tries alot.

:v I do want to hear different views so I know what others think of him though.

[Ted]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he have a super-majority for both houses for quite a while?

Yes he has. But I read somewhere that in these elections that the majority party loses more members from both houses while the opposing gets more. In other words: Less Dems, more Reps in November unless we all went out and voted Democrat.

Sorry if my last post sounded hateful, but it just ticks me off when people blame our President for their problems without knowing the real reason.

[Blake]

I love Obama, not only is he a better president then George bush, but hes also a Democrat, which means hes all for herb!

[Ted]

I love Obama, not only is he a better president then George bush, but hes also a Democrat, which means hes all for herb!

Lol, is that another word for weed?

But that's right. Conservatives go like "No, that's bad for you! We'll forbid it for your own good!" while liberals are like "Dude, your business is your business."

In other words: Republicans = strict parents, Democrats = cool parents. In some cases, even the cool parents are right every once in a while.

[Kingroy]

Clinton offers advice to Obama: go sell your plans | The Upshot Yahoo! News - Yahoo! News

._. Do you think he will be able to get in next year?

And the comments on the webs scare the crud out of me when it comes to politics. Everyone always claim that politicians throw mud, lie, and trick us but the majority of the comments lie and try to trick people. Opinion is opinion, but comparing Bush to Obama and saying Bush cared more or something is just ehh.

[Epic]

I am making a list since I can't organize thoughts today. <_<

-Obama has done way more positive things than Bush has.
-It may seem like Obama hasn't done anything, but that's only because he was cleaning up the crap that Bush flung everywhere.
-People may not notice this, but the economy is steadily improving.
-Because of Obama, I am finally able to afford health care.

Obama is really the best president we have had in awhile.


EDIT: And the reason people blame everything on Obama is because he's an easy target. He's the president, so in people's minds, Obama is solely responsible for everything that happens in the US. Good or bad. They don't even make an attempt to find the person (or persons) that REALLY deserve the blame.

Edited by Poppa Epic, 19 September 2010 - 03:09 AM.

[Ted]

I am making a list since I can't organize thoughts today. <_<

-Obama has done way more positive things than Bush has.
-It may seem like Obama hasn't done anything, but that's only because he was cleaning up the crap that Bush flung everywhere.
-People may not notice this, but the economy is steadily improving.
-Because of Obama, I am finally able to afford health care.

Obama is really the best president we have had in awhile.


EDIT: And the reason people blame everything on Obama is because he's an easy target. He's the president, so in people's minds, Obama is solely responsible for everything that happens in the US. Good or bad. They don't even make an attempt to find the person (or persons) that REALLY deserve the blame.

Oh yeah! Someone who's actually used his brain instead of assuming things.

But seriously, I agree with you 100%. The Bush administration was responsible of all the things America has gone through. Obama wasn't kidding when he said it was time for change. Look where we are now, with our economy steadily improving. If we halt the Party of No in their tracks, boot them out of Congress in the midterm elections, and vote for Obama in 2012, I can see a bright future for our country.

[Kingroy]

._. Sounds so difficult to vote him back in. The repbulicans are working their butts off to restore a seat in the house. And America is still filled with idiots :V. Thats another thing which I need not go in to.

[Crimson Jazz]

So Obama plans to start a student loan debt-relief. The plan bypasses [strike]Republicans[/strike] Congress and is to be implemented immediately. I've read that federal and private student loan debt is nearly at $1 TRILLION and exceeds U.S. credit card debt. What do you guys think about this plan?

As a college student who has to take out student loans, this is a great plan and will honestly lighten the load that I have to pay back in years to come.

[Kingroy]

Is there anyone here with a reason for not supporting Obama? >.> I would really like to hear your reasons.

[Waker]

Is there anyone here with a reason for not supporting Obama? >.> I would really like to hear your reasons.

I wouldn't say I'm against Obama but I'd be more supportive of Ron Paul given a choice between them. This post breaks down the main reasons why: http://whakahekeheke...strator-obama-v
As well as this: http://63108.tumblr....c-war-and-peace

With an edit that Obama does support same-sex marriage* (but I believe not with the same conviction as Paul has).


/discussionfuel

EDIT: Actually, now I'm a non-supporter of Obama.

Edited by Waker, 11 November 2011 - 11:40 PM.

[Valor]

I wouldn't say I'm against Obama but I'd be more supportive of Ron Paul given a choice between them. This post breaks down the main reasons why: http://whakahekeheke...strator-obama-v

The issue I find with these is that they are all generalized statements and clearly slanted to Ron Paul's side. The problem with everything on the internet and relying solely on youtube clips and god damn tumblr of all things to get your views and opinions from

(not saying you are doing it, obviously, but just making a general statement, since I know you're an intelligent person)

is that it's slanted. It has an agenda. Everywhere has an agenda. Even I do when I say that Obama isn't that bad because he's cleaning up Bush's mess. That's an agenda that I want people to realize Obama isn't as bad as people think. He's certainly not worse than Bush was. The country is in a worse position, but it's not because of our President.

It's like if I build a house of cards and it was standing rather stable, then someone else comes into the room when I leave and suddenly the cards fall. Whose fault is it? Look at statistics pre-Bush and post-Bush. It's kind of insane. Who can turn around 8 years of mental retardation by that piece of shit in just 4? It's gonna take a lot more than that.

Things could have been a lot worse.

/discussionfuel

This is ridiculous propaganda.

http://www.wsws.org/.../iraq-f27.shtml

-> What was originally presented as a temporary increase of US occupation forces will result in the indefinite presence of 140,000 US soldiers in Iraq.

Notice how Obama did start bringing troops out? Down to 89,000, if that number is even accurate (i love the facts that they supplied in that video or where their references are) is still withdrawing instead of constantly shipping more and more troops into Iraq.

The real world is not the same thing has the political candidacy world. It's really easy to criticize what the President should do, and it's not easy to do what the president does do and to actually make choices and decisions and have standpoints that physically will result in changing lives and perhaps even losing them.

Iraq is/was a warzone. Warzones constantly shift. You cannot know what the country would have been like if America pulled out exactly within 16 months. You can't stir a beehive and then walk away from it, hoping for the best.

I can sit here and say the same damn think Ron Paul said in that video. Listen.

Hey, Valor. If you were president, what would you do with our troops?

I'd bring them home. We entered the war, we can leave the war.

Look how easy that was. Now HOW would I do it. Where would the money come from? Where would the planes come from? How will you prevent possible terrorist strikes against troops as they are being taken out? How long will it be before they are out of the country? Can Iraq fend for themselves? What if the fighting starts again when we're out? Do we send people back in? What will happen to the troops once they return home?

Notice how these aren't questions asked, but things the president has to consider when making this seemingly easy decision.

To say that anyone could have handled it differently is obvious. To say anyone could have handled it better is debatable. Our troops are frakking paid to fight. Our troops entered the armed forces to make a difference and many of them do believe that their presence does make a difference. There's a lot of sides to this, and Ron Paul by saying "BRING EM HOME LOL" is pure political speak, which he decried Obama of.

Difference is that Obama actually did it. He brought people home. Americas should be fully out of Iraq by the end of the year. Yeah, it's a bit past that 16 months, but the real world doesn't really allow for such timely things to happen according to plan.

I'm not a huge supporter of Obama. I'm not a flag waving democrat. I do, however, have my own mind which I look at situations and analyze. I can think independently, and this is what I decided. He isn't the best president, but he's done a lot.

Also about what his views are, as he president, you need to be careful about what you support and what you don't support. It's hard to take a definitive hard line stance without people getting up in arms. To be honest, the recession is more important than gay marriage. To be honest, the economy is still more important than what god he believes in.

It's really easy to do the president's job when you don't have the title and responsibilities.

That's my opinion. I'll vote for whoever I feel seems to have the best grasp on what this country really needs going forward.

[Soren]

So Obama plans to start a student loan debt-relief. The plan bypasses Republicans Congress and is to be implemented immediately. I've read that federal and private student loan debt is nearly at $1 TRILLION and exceeds U.S. credit card debt. What do you guys think about this plan?

As a college student who has to take out student loans, this is a great plan and will honestly lighten the load that I have to pay back in years to come.

As someone who has lost a year of school because of Student loans and the like, I would say that this is one of the best ideas ever. I heard somewhere (either on the news or Washington Post) that he plans to send aid to schools that put a plausible cap on tuition and fine those that overcharge you. I don't remember if this actually went through, if it's still in the works, or if it was just a rumor, but i do remeber hearing about that.

I wouldn't say I'm against Obama but I'd be more supportive of Ron Paul given a choice between them.

I can kinda understand why you vote for Ron Paul (Heck, if Obama wasn't the President I'd vote for Ron Paul), but given the choice between Obama and Paul...I'd still choose Obama.

That said, I think he's done an exceeding good job as President considering the mess he's had to deal with over these past 4 years. (Birth certificate allegations, Party of "No", being referenced to Hitler, etc.) Sure, there's a lot more he could do, but considering the kind of opposition he's had to deal with these past 4 years I think it's amazing that he's gotten anything done at all!

So, yeah. That's my two cents.

[Epic]

So... Obama came out today and said he supports gay marriage.
Obama Says He Supports Gay Marriage - WSJ.com

[Valor]

Because Obama is a boss