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Poll: What is your stance on abortion? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your stance on abortion?

  1. Pro-Choice (12 votes [63.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.16%

  2. Pro-Life (6 votes [31.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.58%

  3. I don't care >_> (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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#1 Sodomize-it Soro

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:44 PM

A hotly debated topic. What is your stance on abortion? Do you believe it's murder? Do you believe it should be left up to the woman to decide what she can do with her body? Do you just not really care about this subject?

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Personally, I believe it should be the woman to decide what she wants to do. No one has the right to dictate what a person should or shouldn't do if it isn't harming anyone. Obviously, I'm of the opinion that a fetus is not a human being and that abortion is not considered murder.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:46 PM

Same here, I'm pro-choice. Personally, I believe someone who doesn't want to have a baby and yet gets pregnant should keep her legs closed. However, when everybody wants to pass a law that prevents something a person wants to do, we get closer and closer to becoming communists. So yeah, let the woman decide. If what she did is wrong, she'll get her just desserts one way or another.

Also, I don't think a fetus within the first 14 weeks of a pregnancy is considered "alive" yet, so no, it's not murder. But I think it's pure lunacy if the woman decides to abort on the 8th month.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:52 PM

Now... the way I feel about this topic is simple. It's not me and I don't know how they are feeling, I can discourage against it, I can ask them to make sure they feel they are making the right choice, but I can't tell them this is what they are supposed to do. I have my feelings about it, but at the same time I don't know what is considered "right" and wrong when it comes to this type of stuff. I feel we really don't have a say in the choices others make.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:52 PM

I'm pro-choice. I think it is up to the mother and father of the child to decide if they want to keep it. I think that to force a choice upon a person is cruelty. If the mother wasn't ready, or decided that she couldn't take care of the child then she should have that option. If she does have the child but doesn't want it then the child runs the risk of neglect and possibly abuse, if it is put up for adoption it runs those same risks again. It isn't fair to subject a child to that kind of a life just because some people don't think that the child should be aborted because they believe it is murder.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:00 PM

It is murder in my eyes. Regardless of if the female doesn't want to raise it there's always adoption. Why is it against the law to kill someone but it's not against the law to kill off an unborn baby? It makes no sort of sense to me.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:03 PM

It makes perfect sense because it's not a baby at the time. Its still in its fetal stage so your not killing nothing. In my eyes abortion is necessary. I would never want to bring a child in the world with nothing and be forced to be adopted. The child may or may not have a good life and then it would be my fault for that. Yes people need to strap up more so they don't conceive a baby, but things happen so its nothing we can do.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:04 PM

I'm pro-choice. I think it is up to the mother and father of the child to decide if they want to keep it. I think that to force a choice upon a person is cruelty. If the mother wasn't ready, or decided that she couldn't take care of the child then she should have that option. If she does have the child but doesn't want it then the child runs the risk of neglect and possibly abuse, if it is put up for adoption it runs those same risks again. It isn't fair to subject a child to that kind of a life just because some people don't think that the child should be aborted because they believe it is murder.


Well that makes no sense. Don't have sex if you don't want a kid. Geez, sex is not a form of expressing love. Go masturbate or something if you want sexual pleasure, a persons life, or potential life is not something to be played with. And this is something that I feel people should understand. Abortion is absolutely murder.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:06 PM

I'm pro-choice. I think it is up to the mother and father of the child to decide if they want to keep it. I think that to force a choice upon a person is cruelty. If the mother wasn't ready, or decided that she couldn't take care of the child then she should have that option. If she does have the child but doesn't want it then the child runs the risk of neglect and possibly abuse, if it is put up for adoption it runs those same risks again. It isn't fair to subject a child to that kind of a life just because some people don't think that the child should be aborted because they believe it is murder.


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:09 PM



Well that makes no sense. Don't have sex if you don't want a kid. Geez, sex is not a form of expressing love. Go masturbate or something if you want sexual pleasure, a persons life, or potential life is not something to be played with. And this is something that I feel people should understand. Abortion is absolutely murder.


Thank you Dion. An unborn baby is still a person just like everyone else. It doesn't matter if it's born or not. It's still living inside of the mother and it's life should be preserved just like everyone else tries to have their lives perserved. Strap up if you don't want a baby. Plain and simple.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:13 PM

Personally, I'm pro-choice, because I feel that the woman having the baby may not have the skills or money to take care of it, which will either put the family in debt, or they will be forced into adoption. However, if they so choose to keep the child, they have given birth to new life and added more to the world. Also, we can't really force the mother into abortion, but they can be influenced to do so. Either way, it is always in their hands.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:16 PM



Well that makes no sense. Don't have sex if you don't want a kid. Geez, sex is not a form of expressing love. Go masturbate or something if you want sexual pleasure, a persons life, or potential life is not something to be played with. And this is something that I feel people should understand. Abortion is absolutely murder.

Alright yeah the world will become celibate. That will solve everything. The fact is that people won't stop having sex, that is why there is birth control. And you forget about a little thing called rape. The girl doesn't really have a say in that matter and if she gets pregnant then the child certainly wasn't her decision. I mean seriously, are you trying to tell me that you would rather a 12 year old girl go through labor to birth a child she didn't want to have because you don't want the fetus removed?

And despite the fact that many people are upset over "murdering" the fetus, I haven't seen any of them profess to be Vegan either. If people were that worried about murder they wouldn't be eating meat. And for that matter they wouldn't eat plants because in order to do so part of the plant or the whole plant would have to die. In fact fruit is baby trees. So tell me Dion do you starve yourself? Because people who claim that as a sole reason that abortion shouldn't be allowed need to look a little more closely at their reasoning.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:19 PM

<.< well...
1.Abortion's do more harm than people think.
There was a study that found that women will likely have birth problems if they have an abortion.
2.Just don't have sex. Simple.
3.IMO teenagers will care less about the act of sex if they can just simply stop the pregnacy, Maybe not now, but in the future.


The Rape card. It's ugly but the truth. I can't pick an inbetween, but right there would be where abortions should be used and only use. Though hopefully in future of medicine, there will be something that can stop pregnacy after the ejaculation but before it becomes a fetus. Unless they already have it.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:22 PM

Alright yeah the world will become celibate. That will solve everything. The fact is that people won't stop having sex, that is why there is birth control. And you forget about a little thing called rape. The girl doesn't really have a say in that matter and if she gets pregnant then the child certainly wasn't her decision. I mean seriously, are you trying to tell me that you would rather a 12 year old girl go through labor to birth a child she didn't want to have because you don't want the fetus removed?


Yes. I see you'd rather kill a child who could have a bright future ahead of them than give this child to a family that would want to take care of the child. Right. Even if it wasn't the girl's decision to get pregnant she'd still be responsible for this child's survival.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:23 PM



Yes. I see you'd rather kill a child who could have a bright future ahead of them than give this child to a family that would want to take care of the child. Right. Even if it wasn't the girl's decision to get pregnant she'd still be responsible for this child's survival.


Yes, I see you rather play a game of chance with the child's life and give it up to a family that could rape and abuse it it's whole life. Just because you know, killing a fetus which is technically NOT ALIVE is unjust.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:27 PM



Yes. I see you'd rather kill a child who could have a bright future ahead of them than give this child to a family that would want to take care of the child. Right. Even if it wasn't the girl's decision to get pregnant she'd still be responsible for this child's survival.

The adoption system is far from perfect. If they child ever even gets a home or just ends up going from foster care to foster care is completely up in the air. And sometimes quite frankly there is things that can happen to a person that is worse then death.

And also, I don't even know if I would abort if I ever got pregnant. I might decide to keep it or I might decide to abort it, but I would want to be able to have my options available to me. Even if I kept the child I would want to do so knowing that I made that choice and that no one else forced me into that decision. Do I believe that the fetus is an actual person? I don't know that is up to your beliefs on life. As per the beliefs on life I hold I don't feel that it is technically "alive" until it at least has a heartbeat and a working brain. If it doesn't have those things then it isn't even capable of thought or of being considered "alive".

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:29 PM

Pro-Choice as in the baby gets the choice, father gets the choice, priest gets the choice, minister gets the choice, siblings get the choice, those that would be affected by the baby get the choice, or the mother gets the choice?

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:31 PM

Yes, I see you rather play a game of chance with the child's life and give it up to a family that could rape and abuse it it's whole life. Just because you know, killing a fetus which is technically NOT ALIVE is unjust.


And that's why the child should be handed over to a couple, and not just a family. A couple who are willing to take in a child despite having their own kids to take care of.

As for rape; Rape is inhumane, which we all know, and it can't be helped. But Abortion is not the solution. I bet more than half of the people who abort a child do it just because of physical problems, as women like to keep their bodies. When the child is born, hand it over to an orphanage, which aren't as bad as they were once. Government funds keep things running. It's only in books and movies that we see them as hell holes. Also, I doubt the Orphanage would hand over the kid to a person who would go about raping and abusing children. We live in a modern day and age, folks. These people are tracked down within months if not within weeks.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:32 PM

The adoption system is far from perfect. If they child ever even gets a home or just ends up going from foster care to foster care is completely up in the air. And sometimes quite frankly there is things that can happen to a person that is worse then death.

And also, I don't even know if I would abort if I ever got pregnant. I might decide to keep it or I might decide to abort it, but I would want to be able to have my options available to me. Even if I kept the child I would want to do so knowing that I made that choice and that no one else forced me into that decision. Do I believe that the fetus is an actual person? I don't know that is up to your beliefs on life. As per the beliefs on life I hold I don't feel that it is technically "alive" until it at least has a heartbeat and a working brain. If it doesn't have those things then it isn't even capable of thought or of being considered "alive".


I get that the adoption system is far from perfect but it is worth it. This child will actually have a chance at life to do and become whatever they want. You don't know if this child could change the world or not. It could happen.

So feeling an unborn baby moving or kicking inside of a woman's baby is normal but you don't consider it to be alive? It is alive regardless of if you see it outside of the woman or not. Second, the fetus does in fact have a hearbeat and it moves around. So technically you do believe that it is "alive".

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:44 PM





And that's why the child should be handed over to a couple, and not just a family. A couple who are willing to take in a child despite having their own kids to take care of.

As for rape; Rape is inhumane, which we all know, and it can't be helped. But Abortion is not the solution. I bet more than half of the people who abort a child do it just because of physical problems, as women like to keep their bodies. When the child is born, hand it over to an orphanage, which aren't as bad as they were once. Government funds keep things running. It's only in books and movies that we see them as hell holes. Also, I doubt the Orphanage would hand over the kid to a person who would go about raping and abusing children. We live in a modern day and age, folks. These people are tracked down within months if not within weeks.

Right because a couple is more likely to take care of a child. The amount of people in the family will not determine the quality of life a child has as it grows up.

HA! That shows what you know Dion. We have a friend who works in Social Services, and they can attest that often enough kids get put in really cruddy homes. We also have friends who were in foster care and they were starved and beaten! And again that shows what you know because despite that government funding it doesn't do any good! They won't take the child away from the foster parents or the parents unless the evidence will stand up in court. I know this because Social Services did get my mother out of her home! They don't always track these people down right away! Why do you think we have Amber Alerts?! It is simple enough to evade the government if you know how to do it or are lucky. And actually yes they would give a child to a person(s) who rape and abuse, because people lie all the time and don't do what they say they will do.



I get that the adoption system is far from perfect but it is worth it. This child will actually have a chance at life to do and become whatever they want. You don't know if this child could change the world or not. It could happen.

So feeling an unborn baby moving or kicking inside of a woman's baby is normal but you don't consider it to be alive? It is alive regardless of if you see it outside of the woman or not. Second, the fetus does in fact have a hearbeat and it moves around. So technically you do believe that it is "alive".

Yes it could very well happen. And if you decide to abort then you run that risk but it should still be your choice in the matter.

I mean early on, like when you first realize you are pregnant. Not when the fetus is months old.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:49 PM



Right because a couple is more likely to take care of a child. The amount of people in the family will not determine the quality of life a child has as it grows up.

HA! That shows what you know Dion. We have a friend who works in Social Services, and they can attest that often enough kids get put in really cruddy homes. We also have friends who were in foster care and they were starved and beaten! And again that shows what you know because despite that government funding it doesn't do any good! They won't take the child away from the foster parents or the parents unless the evidence will stand up in court. I know this because Social Services did get my mother out of her home! They don't always track these people down right away! Why do you think we have Amber Alerts?! It is simple enough to evade the government if you know how to do it or are lucky. And actually yes they would give a child to a person(s) who rape and abuse, because people lie all the time and don't do what they say they will do.


My best friend lives in an orphanage. :) So I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about when it comes to GOVERNMENT operated facilities.

Also, forensic science is becoming more and more....well...advanced, simply put. =/ Tracing down a person isn't as hard as it was say, 10 years ago. Hell, 2 years ago. People who abuse and rape children have probably done it before, and it doesn't take long for their crimes to become known to the public.

But enough about that, the topic is Abortion, let's stay inline.

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